Johann Peter CORIDASS
(Abt 1810-1894)

 

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Spouses/Children:
1. Catherine SCHMIDT

2. Hannah JONES

Johann Peter CORIDASS

  • Born: Abt 1810, Germany 68
  • Marriage: (1): Catherine SCHMIDT
  • Marriage: (2): Hannah JONES Not Married
  • Died: 11 Sep 1894, New Town, Hobart, Australia 69
  • Buried: 13 Sep 1894, Hobart, Tasmania, Australia 70

   Another name for Johann was Peter.

   General Notes:

* Addresses: 1862 Park St, Hobart, Tasmania 1894 Charitable Institution, New Town, Hobart, Tasmania

* Occupation: 1845 Trade Ploughman, 1862 Labourer, 1871 Coachman 1872 Coachman 1894 Labourer

Johann Peter Coridas emigrated from Dasbach, Idstein, Germany. Idstein was the centre of a prosperous leather and dying industry. It seems unlikely that the family had economic reasons to leave Germany. In 1830 Idstein had one of the first agricultural high schools. A latin high school had been founded in the 13th century. The family may originally be Hugenauts ie of French origin as these villages had suffered heavily in the 30 yr war (1618 - 1648) and the lord, Graf Gerlach, invited Hugenauts to repopulate the area. Alternatively they may originate in Luxemburg as the dukes of Hessen-Nassau were also Grand dukes of Luxenburg.

* Emigration to Australia: "German Immigrants Arriving in Tasmania per 'America' 1855" by Pat Harris & Irene Schaffer. Introduction The America was a 706 ton , 2 gun packet with a crew of 22. Owned by James Baines and Co of the Blackball Line. The capt was John Gardyne, the surgeon was Charles Willes, William Kirchner sponsered all the German on boaerd, having purchased 300 tickets in may 1854. On her only voyage to Australia the America sailed from the Mersey at Liverpool on April 15 1855 and arrived in Hobart on July 23 , a voyage of 99 days. It was an unfavourable voyage with the out break of measles soon after departure , and the rough and contrary winds most of the way. There were 21 deaths on board mostly from complications following the measles, An apprentice member of the crew was lost over board when he fell from the main yard arm. Of the six births on the voyage, five died before reaching port and the other died on July 31 , 8 days after the arrival. There were 283 German Passengers on board, 45 married couples , 101 single adults over 14 yrs and 92 children under 14 yrs. Of the married couples , 3 travelled on single tickets (as marriage was just prior to departure) and one couple was not married. Also on board were 11 passengers from the U.K., The vessel was anchored at Half Moon Bay in the Derwent River when pilot J.Hurburgh came on board at 8am on 23 July.

The spelling of most German surnames has changed over the yrs with the translation from German to English, some were changed during the W.W.1.2. to avoid persecution .Large numbers of immigrants settled on the East Coast, Huon, New Norfolk, and Hobart, very few went to the Noth and North West.

pp11-12 CORIDAS/CARIDAS John Peter. Age 45. Religion Lutheran, Read/Write both, Trade Ploughman, Native Place Nassau, Destination Hobart, Wife M. Catherine, Age 41, Religion Lutheran, Read/Write both, Trade G/Servant, Children on Board: M. Catherine Philippa age 21, John Ernest age 14, Cath. Christine age 18, Philip Peter age 11, Wilhelm age 8, Caroline age 6 died 11 Aug 1855, Frederick Paul age 3, Cath. Elizabeth age 9m died 25 Apr 1855. The immigrants were required to work for 4 years under the immigration scheme that brought them here. The 'America' left Mersey, Liverpool, England 15 April 1855 and arrived in Hobart on 23 July 1855. (The baby died on the voyage)

Emigration from Dasbach to Tasmania (Data provided by Michael Palmer, Claremont, California mpalmer@netcom.com )

* According to Wolf Heino Struck, _Die Auswanderung aus dem Herzogtum Nassau (1806-1866)_, Geschichtliche Landeskunde, 4 (Wiesbaden: Franz Steiner, 1966), p. 142, Johann Peter Coridas and his family, from Dasbach, Justizamt [county of] Idstein, published their intention to emigrate to Australia in the _Nassauisches Intelligenzblatt_ for 8 February 1855. * Dasbach is a small village about 1 1/2 kilometers south-southeast of the town of D-65510 Idstein, into which it is now incorporated. Dasbach belonged historically to the Protestant parish of Niederseelbach. The Family History Library in Salt Lake City has microfilm copies of the original church registers for Niederseelbach for the years 1663-1876 (microfilms #'s 1269890 through 1269893; note that separate registers exist for Dasbach from 1789 to 1817), and of the duplicate church registers for Niederseelbach for the years 1817-1874 (microfilm #2006094, item 3, separate registers for Dasbach), and you can borrow copies of these microfilms through any LDS (Mormon) Family History Center. Note also the Familienb"ucher (contemporary equivalents to family group sheets, compiled from the church registers) for 1716-1844 and 1713-1792 on microfilm #1269893.

The Sailing Ship (Data provided by Michael Palmer, Claremont, California mpalmer@netcom.com )

The AMERICA was a 3-masted, square-rigged sailing ship, built at Maitland, Nova Scotia, in 1848 [Canadian Ship Information Database, http://daryl.chin.gc.ca:8000/basisbwdocs/sid/e_main.html, quoting Public Archives of Canada, RG 42, volume 1344 (original reference vol. 133 = microfilm reel C-385), p. 36]. 706/690 tons (old/new measurement); 140.6 x 29.2 x 20.6 ft (length x beam x depth of hold). The annual volumes of _Lloyd's Register of Shipping_ for 1848/48-1863/64 give the following additional information:
Master:
1848/49-1849/50 - Cornish
1850/51-1852/53 - G. Watkins
1853/54 - W. Gilks
1854/55-1858/59 - Gardyne
1859/60-1860/61 - Williams
1860/61-1863/64 - Laugharn

Owner:
1848/49-1849/50 - Allison & [Co]
1850/51-1852/53 - Wilson & Co
1853/54 - Melhuish
1854/55-1858/59 - Baines & Co [Black Ball Line of sailing packets to Australia]
1859/60-1863/64 - Haynes & [Co]

Port of Registry:
1848/49-1849/50 - St. John, New Brunswick
1850/51-1863/64 - Liverpool

Port of Survey:
1848/49-1853/54 - Liverpool
1854/55-1856/57 - London
1857/58-1858/59 - [not given]
1859/60 - Liverpool
1860/61 - [not given]
1861/62-1863/64 - Liverpool

Destined Voyage:
1848/49-1849/50 - New York
1850/51-1852/53 - Africa
1853/54 - [not given]
1854/55-1856/57 - Australia
1857/58-1858/59 - [not given]
1859/60 - North America
1860/61 - [not given]
1861/62-1863/64 - China

The entry for the AMERICA in the 1863/64 annual volume of _Lloyd's Register_ is stamped "LOST"; however, I have not yet investigated the particulars.

For additional information, including possible surviving pictorial representations, see the following two works on the Black Ball Line of Australian packets: 1. Dave Hollett, _Fast passage to Australia; the history of the Black Ball, Eagle, and White Star Lines of Australian packets_ (London: Fairplay, 1986). 2. Michael Stammers, _The passage makers_ (Brighton: Teredo Books, 1978).

For surviving pictures of the AMERICA, check also the indexes to pictures of vessels maintained by the Australian National Maritime Museum (for more information, see in particular the ANMM's online publication, Pathfinder No.3: Immigration - Sailing Ships, at http://www.anmm.gov.au/LIB/isa.htm).

For surviving accounts of voyages of the AMERICA to Australia, see Ian Hawkins Nicholson, _Log of logs : a catalogue of logs, journals, shipboard diaries, letters, and all forms of voyage narratives, 1788 to 1988, for Australia and New Zealand and surrounding oceans_, Roebuck Society Publication Nos. 41, 47 (2 vols; Yaroomba, Qld: The Author jointly with the Australian Association for Maritime History, [1990]-1993).

The Assessment Roll published in the Hobart Town Gazette on Thursday, 19 December 1861 lists Peter COURODIAS [sic] as the occupant and George TAYLOR as the owner of a house and grounds in Park Street, assessed annual value 20 pounds.

From bjkaup <bjkaup@planet-interkom.de> who lives in Idstein. Idstein was the center of a big leather industry. It had about 3.000 inhabitants of which about 400 worked in several plants. Leather industry went down after WW II. The last company, producing fine leather for gloves, shut down 1975. In the surrounding of Idstein one still finds crippled oak trees because of the use of this trees in produktion. About 1830 in Idstein one of the first highschools for agriculture was established. When moved to Wiesbaden in 1880 it had 300 students and 25 teachers. A latin highschool was founded in the 13th century, it was closed about 1880 and revived after WW II. It now resides in the castle of the last lord of Nassau-Idstein built 1638 on a place were a castle exsisted since about 950. Though Idstein now is more or less one of the sleeping rooms of Frankfurt, distance 50 km, to the airport 40 km thus in the distance required for airline personell, still some industry is there. Idstein was once proud to gain (as commercial substitute to the dieing lether industry) the european plant of Black&Decker, the tool manufacturer. The plant is now development center and guaranty replacement shop for the world outside USA. I suspect that there was no commercial reason for your ancestor when chosing to emigrate. I also suspect that the connection to Dasbach was not more than loose. Nearly all present bearers of the name are now in Wiesbaden. Could it be that the wife had relatives in Dasbach? It was usual that young woman, especially when youngest daughters worked for their living in town families. Wiesbaden was a normal choice. So it could be that they met there. I suggest that you use www.telefonbuch.de to find out the adresses of possible relatives in Wiesbaden. Maybe there is still family knowledge of someone going abroad. A remark to the name: I think it is of french (hugonotte) origin. Graf Gerlach, the above mentioned last lord, invited hugonotte families to his country to settle in villages and towns which had haeavily suffered from the 30years war (1618-1648), so that as example in one neighboring village of 1500 inhabitants only 300 had survived the war. It could also be, that the family originally came from the Grandduchesse Luxemburg which comprised at that time parts of what is now Belgium or France. The dukes of Hessen-Nassau were also Granddukes of Luxemburg. Normally the first son became duke of Hessen-Nassau and the second son became grandduke of Luxemburg. Both resided in Wiesbaden. When Prussia occupied Hessen-Nassau the duke went in exile to Luxemburg.

Descendants yet to be connected to tree: From "Victoria Dunlop" <victoriad@ozemail.com.au> who offers look-ups that include Gippsland schools. CORIDAS, Ronald, 2/1/38, CORIDAS, Brian, 13/7/36 Plus CORIDAS children born 1956 +

Johann married Catherine SCHMIDT, daughter of William SCHMIDT and Unknown. (Catherine SCHMIDT was born about 1814 in Germany 68, died in Wollongong, New South Wales, Australia 71 and was buried on 18 Jun 1895 in Wollongong, Nsw, Australia 72.)

Johann also married Hannah JONES not Married. (Hannah JONES was born about 1834 in England 73, died on 10 Apr 1899 in Hobart, Tasmania, Australia 74 and was buried on 14 Apr 1899 in Hobart, Tasmania, Australia 70.) The cause of her death was cancer of the breast.

   Marriage Notes:

There is no evidence that Hannah and Peter ever married


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